TEG Dainty & Mamamia present

In Conversation
with Esther Perel

Mia Freedman interviews one of today's most insightful voices on modern love about the transformative power of human connection

Not Too Deep
 is a professionally-produced virtual event series that touches on the themes, topics and questions that make up the modern zeitgeist.

Born out of an unprecedented situation that thrust the world into an extraordinary state of uncertainty, NTD connects Australian fans with some of the world’s most interesting and insightful people as we collectively adjust and look for ways to thrive.

“Perel’s ideas are … instantly familiar because they resonate deeply. It’s all rather terrifying in its intuitiveness and its pure rightness.”

The Observer (UK)


Proudly presented by TEG Dainty and Mamamia, this once-off virtual event brings together two brilliant thought leaders for a considered, topical conversation on modern love and the transformative power of human connection.

Reaching women across Australia and New Zealand, the two-hour event will feature a curated discussion centring on the topics, themes and insights that have earned Esther worldwide notoriety, before concluding with an audience Q&A.

Esther Perel

Psychotherapist and New York Times bestselling author, Esther Perel, is recognised as one of today's most insightful and original voices on modern relationships. Fluent in nine languages, she helms a therapy practice in New York City and serves as an organisational consultant for Fortune 500 companies around the world. Her celebrated TED Talks have garnered nearly 30 million views and her international bestseller Mating in Captivity: Unlocking Erotic Intelligence is a global phenomenon that has been translated into nearly 30 languages. Her newest book is the New York Times bestseller The State of Affairs: Rethinking Infidelity. Esther is also an executive producer and host of the award-winning podcast Where Should We Begin? and her new podcast How's Work?

Esther was quick to tackle the challenges of self-isolation in the time of COVID-19 with Where Should We Begin?: Couples Under Lockdown. In the new spin-off podcast series, she offers couples therapy to those who are self-isolating together and discusses why some people might come out of this wanting to get married, while others will come out wanting a divorce or breakup — "disasters generally operate as an accelerator in a relationship".

Mia Freedman

Modern-day wonder woman Mia Freedman is the founder, publisher and editorial director of Australia's leading women's website Mamamia.com.au.

Mia began her career as the work experience kid at Cleo Magazine and got her first paying job as the magazine’s Beauty Editor. She left Cleo after five years and in 1996 became the youngest editor of Cosmopolitan at the ripe old age of 24. After a brief stint as a commercial TV executive, she walked away from corporate life in 2007 to start a personal blog called Mamamia.com.au. That blog is now a multifaceted media company that attracts many millions of women per month, with a purpose to 'make the world a better place for women and girls'.

Mia is the author of three books and has spearheaded multiple popular podcasts including No FilterMamamia Out Loud, and Lady Startup. The Mamamia Podcast Network is the biggest women's podcast network in the world, with 27 shows, 25 female hosts, and more than 68 million listens.

No one knows Australian women—and what they want—like Mia Freedman.

TEG Dainty

TEG Dainty is a leading global live entertainment company, behind such tours and events as FIRE FIGHT AUSTRALIA, Queen + Adam Lambert, Eminem, Katy Perry, Michael Bublé, Miley Cyrus, Jerry Seinfeld, WWE Live, Iron Maiden, Guns ‘N’ Roses, Dita Von Teese, Jonathan Van Ness and many more.

The format

An in-home live entertainment experience

The format follows that of a traditional in-person event, centring around themed discussion and concluding with an audience Q&A.

The event will be streamed online, with the host will broadcasting from live in-studio, with the international guest dialled in via video link.

The revenue model is Pay Per View. Fans can 'Watch Live or Watch Later', with their ticket being valid for the live show + replay.


Paul Dainty
TEG Dainty, President & CEO

Brad Drummond
TEG Dainty, Promoter

TEG Dainty produces and promotes shows across Australia and New Zealand, the United States, United Kingdom, South East Asia and South Africa. Paul Dainty, President and CEO of TEG DAINTY, was awarded an AM in the Queen’s Birthday 2017 Honours list for his significant service to the entertainment industry as a producer and promoter of national concert tours, theatre and events.

Paul Dainty's tours have included Guns N’ Roses, Katy Perry, Michael Bublé, Bon Jovi, Eminem, Paul McCartney, Rolling Stones, George Michael, U2, Prince, Yusuf (Cat Stevens), Neil Diamond, Tony Bennett, Hugh Jackman, Jersey Boys, Mamamia!, Billy Crystal's 700 Sundays, Hairspray the Musical, Singing in the Rain, Fire Fight Australia Bushfire Relief Concert and many more.

TEG Dainty’s unrivalled reputation for touring the biggest and brightest names and Nice Events’ early adoption of emerging platforms and niche talent trends have been consolidated to form a unified TEG Dainty comedy & speakers division that services the full range of comedy offerings from emerging talent through to theatre and arena level artists.

Comedy & Speakers recent and upcoming: Jerry Seinfeld, Oprah, Sebastian Maniscalco, Jonathan Van Ness, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, Chris Rock, Dita Von Teese, Last Podcast On The Left, Tracy Morgan, Stuff You Should Know Podcast, Theo Von, The Minimalists, Australian True Crime Podcast, Making a Murderer, The Staircase and more.